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  To all the Elders, Ms, Co etc. out there - Are you accountable for the deception

  by *lost* in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if the elders united, rebelled and shut up shop - would it bring down the wt.

  they 'shepherd the flock' - does that make them more accountable than anyone else for the deception and lies and trickery and deceit.. are they all non-believers who are along for the ride ?.

  are they cowardly for taking a stand ?.

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  Responsible ?Of course they are .They purpuatate a lie .Interestingly the Bible says that the elders will have to put a millstone around the neck and jump if they ever wrongly accused a sheep .Now why does the Bible say that ? If you are an elder or ministerial servant step down ,if you stay it is your problem and you will be held accountable from Jehovah .
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  The dividing of the Rank & File Class

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last thursday the letter for the next annual meeting was read as an announcement at the meeting .as you all know this is the first time the gb makes such a big fuss about it as it will be broadcast in many countries at the same time as the one in new york ,or maybe recorded for the countries with many hours difference .it is the first time that they will include members of the rank & file in such any event ,an event which in yester years was strictly only for the top high ranking officials of the watchtower .. my questions are :.

  is this a new way to approach their masses ?

  stop the allienation between top and bottom ?is this the first time that they also try to visibly divide the rank & file to two classes ?

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  couldn't agree more
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  The dividing of the Rank & File Class

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last thursday the letter for the next annual meeting was read as an announcement at the meeting .as you all know this is the first time the gb makes such a big fuss about it as it will be broadcast in many countries at the same time as the one in new york ,or maybe recorded for the countries with many hours difference .it is the first time that they will include members of the rank & file in such any event ,an event which in yester years was strictly only for the top high ranking officials of the watchtower .. my questions are :.

  is this a new way to approach their masses ?

  stop the allienation between top and bottom ?is this the first time that they also try to visibly divide the rank & file to two classes ?

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  raymond frantz

  

  Last Thursday the letter for the next Annual Meeting was read as an announcement at the meeting .As you all know this is the first time the GB makes such a big fuss about it as it will be broadcast in many countries at the same time as the one in New York ,or maybe recorded for the countries with many hours difference .It is the first time that they will include members of the Rank & File in such any event ,an event which in yester years was strictly only for the top high ranking officials of the Watchtower .

  My questions are :

  1. Is this a new way to approach their masses ? Stop the allienation between top and bottom ?
  2. Is this the first time that they also try to visibly divide the Rank & File to two classes ? To the loyal ones and the not so loyal ones ?
  3. For the first time it feels like an assembly with closed doors, where you will not be invited because you don't tick all the boxes
  4. Could this also be a way to "divide & conquer " rank and file ,especially now that the apostate community is at an all time high ?

  Clapping Monkeys
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  The July 15 Watchtower and all its new light is only...

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  making people cling to the organization more.

  when i found out it was up i told so many people frantically that there is a new study article up and that it had so many changes.

  my mother started crying saying how happy she is to be a part of an organization that is truly directed by jehovah... only the true faithful and discreeet slave could have such insight.... another person began to say how great it is to see the celestial chariot on the move.. .

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  "So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."(2 Thess 2:11,12)

  There is a difference knowing the truth and loving the truth .Jehovah allows an operation of error to act as a way of judgment for all of us .Do everything in your power to AWAKE others
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  JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  box on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".

  jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.

  jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.

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  BOX ON PAGE 24 OF THE JULY 15TH TITLED :"If ever the evil slave...."

  Jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time. Jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability. (Luke12:48) Hence, he concluded his illustration about the faithful anddiscreet slave with a powerful warning.Jesus warned about an evil slave who concludes in his heart that the master is delaying and who starts to beat his fellow slaves. When the master arrives,said Jesus, he will punish that evil slave "with the greatest severity."-Read Matthew 24:48-51.Was Jesus foretelling that there would be an evil slave class in the last days? No.

  ****In the same line of thought was Jesus foretelling that there would be a faithful slave ?If the evil slave is not a specific class of people why should the faithful slave be ?****

  Granted, some individuals have manifested a spirit similar to that of the evil slave described by Jesus. We would call them apostates, whether they were of the anointed or of the"great crowd." (Rev. 7:9) But such ones do not make up an evil slave class. Jesus did not say that he would appoint an evil slave. His words here are actually a warning directed to the faithful and discreet slave.

  ***If this a warning directed to the faithful and discreet slave then these evil slaves must be members of this body ,eitherwise how can this be a real warning ?****

  ***Non appointment is not a determining factor as to whether this is a specific group or not***

  Notice that Jesus introduces the warning with the words "if ever." One scholar says that in the Greek text, this passage "for all practical purposes is a hypothetical condition." In effect, Jesus was saying: 'If the faithful and discreet slave were ever to mistreat his fellow slaves in these ways, this is what the master will do when he arrives.' (See also Luke 12:45.)

  ****They just admitted what they previously rejected ! They just said that the evil slave will be part of the faithful slave class***

  ***To be able to bid your brothers you should be in a position of authority or goverment (Clarke's commentary on the Bible)

  However, the composite faithful and discreet slave has continued to keep on the watch and to provide nourishing spiritual food.The anointed brothers who together serve as the faithful slave recognize that they are accountable to the Master for the way they care for his domestics. The heartfelt desire of these anointed brothers is to fulfill their responsibility loyally so that they might hear a"well done" from the Master when he finally arrives.

  ***Self assuming statement ! We have continued to keep on the watch (1914,1919,1975,overlapping generations...) and to provide nourishing spiritual food .(Why don't you let Jesus decide if you REALLY did that)
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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  BRILLIANT, count me in
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  Memorial trauma-morial!

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  haven't been to the kh in a couple of weeks but went to the memorial along with hubby because i'm still in the early stages of my fade.. the speaker gave a really nice talk which was divided into 4 parts: why we need ransom, how it benefits us, who should partake and how to keep benefiting.

  i was ok with the first 2 parts cuz he backed up with scriptures.

  then the part about who should partake departed from scripture and went into this convoluted thing about how although jesus died for us, we're not to partake because jesus didn't make a covenant with us so we don't partake.

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  being there in full knowledge what it means NOT to partake is actually DENYING JESUS.

  Next time do us all a favor ,stand up for Jesus ,partake!!!
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  Dear watchtower bible and tract society, governing body, and all of your twisted teachings...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after today's watchtower study which was basically a mind controlling article about shunning your loved disfellowshipped ones, i've come to see just how sick, twisted, vile, rotten, repulsive, disgusting, and just plain evil you all are.

  so i stormed out.

  i don't know if i'll ever come back to your meetings again.

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  I need some help ! (live in London)

  by caath in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi, my name is catarina and im portuguese.. in portugal the sitiuacion of the country is hard.

  i want work in ingland (in london), but i dont have any family or friends there.

  so i remember then in the meetings of jeovah's witnesses we sometimes talk about the brothers and sisthers all aver the world.

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  raymond frantz

  

  It's just goes to show that talking to JWs is like talking to a brickwall